Another person said that her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. Medjugorie is related to HLM because both are unapproved apparition sites. On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but it is not. It is very sad to see an article that is truly going to misdirect souls that could be saved. In his examination of Holy Love Ministries, which will be the subject of the next part of this message, Bishop Lennon and his unnamed expert did not state any specific distortion or misrepresentation of authentic Catholic doctrine or any Scriptural misinterpretation they found there. We must not do so. Holy Love: You will have wars and insurrections You were created through My Divine Will to know Me and to love Me above all things. 3) The faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland are admonished against gathering for functions (presumably held by HLM) on HLM property. Many people have brought forth personal testimony and facts against HL, but still, followers persist. I will also add anger. I did not save all the impassioned emails I received three years ago, but I did find similar comments on a site discussing Holy Love. Have a very blessed Christmas, Kevin. That means that he had, and has, four chambers in the human heart of His human nature. It implies that everything is OK and anything goes. But there is a dark side to acting on messages that Church authority warns against. And, when will it be out? When in the history of the Catholic Church has the Blessed Mother operated outside the Church? I beg to differ with you. Elizabeth, Our Blessed Mother at HLM had every right to do what she did. (11/27/12-ST. JOAN OF ARC) as they represent Christ, declare as teachers of the faith or establish as God bless you Elizabeth. We must be vigilant always. And, that would be the sin of idolatry. If this is of God, it wont go away, as we are told in scripture. 1. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. It is your biased opinion reading the messages through the distorted lens of your own biased opinion that concludes what you do. The word condemned was not used but it is apparent that there are serious concerns regarding the authenticity of the apparitions, among other things. priority over submission to a bishop? in social work and M.A. Yes, we may suffer a punishment but Donald Trump is not the answer. oh yea, shes spent thousands of dollars flying up there and one of her friends said:why doesnt God pick me to be the visionary? what is the fruit of this ministry? 5:8-9). Further, no one can or should dictate against Heavens intervention here. The fullness of Truth is found within the Catholic Church, which Jesus founded upon the rock of Peter upon it the gates of hell will never prevail. Lennon has definitively declared Sweeney-Kyles claims to be not from God. I have a close friend who is a member of this organization(its not a catholic site and priests are not allowed to say mass by the bishop.) Yes, it is, replies Thomas of Aquinas together with every. God calls ALL people to repentance and conversion. The roads to hell are paved wit their skulls, according to St.Philip Neri. Barrier tags: condemnation , condemning , judgmental , prejudging 20 likes Like Help me to be Your instrument in the world. The devil can quote Scripture and encourage people to pray as it suits his larger purpose. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Matt. Most young people do not really understand the supernatural dimension of Catholicism. I know- it has turned me into a daily communicant and I can not get through the day without wanting to pray the rosary and study scripture. Once again, thank you for your witness and speaking boldly and clearly for the Church. Dont you see what hes accomplishing? Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt [CCC 1801].. Thats even funnier! (2) The Pope is infallible in all he says and does. A prophecy was recently sent to Catholic philosopher, Daniel O'Connor, from Father Michel Rodrigue. Some just cannot get their facts straight! Even those who attend Mass do not really know the Faith. (3) I may never criticize any Superior under any circumstances. It may be coming from an unhinged or manipulative person, or it may be coming from the demons, or it may be coming from some combination of them both. After reading through the explanations of why certain messages must be regarded as false, it helps readers to be more discerning. Both her ignorance of Catholic doctrine, as well as her inability to think clearly became obvious for all to see. Obedience has no limits. Yes, the Church is made of sinners (of which I am one) and saints. Lack of forgiveness is not of God because it is against LOVE. Until and unless that happens, people are endangering their souls by going there. Is your book going to be this ambiguous? Having visited the site unknowingly on a pilgrimage with my Mom (who had been invited by her friends whos parish was going and invited me rather nonchalantly; read, she didnt even bother asking where we would go). Not a warning as you like to interpret it. I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. The devil hates the rosary and would never promote it. It is a legal document. Im a devout Roman Catholic 34 yr. old mother of 4 and my kids and I love Holy Love. Heaven calls you here.. do something new. Looking back on that message now, it was supposed to help me in my discernment of my vocation, but the message was general and vague. what might be going on at all these apparition sites is being done as Amos the the prophet stated in ch 3 lines 7&8.. read read read. Gary Yanus, Judicial Vicar Diocese of Cleveland, since Bishop Lennon was recovering from surgery. May we have the citation for that quote from St. Catherine of Siena please? His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. we have known about holy love since the 80s and we believe in those apparitions. The free operation of Future Church , without any interference by Bishop Lennon, is only one proof. Source: This is why Bishop Lennon cannot excommunicate those Catholics who find spiritual sustenance at HLM. Well we are in the middle of 2015 and there has been nothing. FORBIDDEN to go to HOLY LOVE MINISTRYs to receive the many Blessings and Graces themselves? I think youre going to have to elaborate on those statements! Bishop Lennons is not the last word about HLM either. World economy. How about this one from St. Thomas Aquinas on Nov. 17, 2009, after the condemnation: The decree set forth by your bishop concerning participation in this Mission here was presented as though it carried with it the charge of blind obedience. Following closely upon this is a statement on how Lennon proceeded in reviewing the case. Translation: I like to practiceits also an avenue for those who cannot understand the English well. Give me examples of WHERE I am not keeping my argument in order. The bishop is obligated to teach what exactly is wrong at Holy Love Ministries, and he does not because he cannot. None of these letters are dated after Bishop Lennons 2009 Letter. Medjugorje has nothing to do with Holy Love. I once read that people bring their own holiness to these sites. God bless. Holy Love Ministry | Facebook There is nothing in the 1983 Code of Canon Law that specifies such a process in these affairs (though the Code affects them). He does not use the word FORBID because he does not have CANONICAL GROUNDS to do so. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith, and this is in opposition to what continues to happenor rather not happenin most Catholic dioceses of the United States. Such people will not be attracted to obvious evil. I desire that they turn to Me with trust, through prayer in their every need" Once again, I urge you to trust in My Provision In an article on Apparitions/Private Revelations the EWTN.com website Colin B. Donovan, STL explained that the first responsibility of the faithful is to remain established in the faith, in the sacraments and in communion with the Pope and bishops. I think that this third point is the crux of it all for this person (and others that continue to go to the site). At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. We learn (in Church history) that St. Athanasius disobeyed Pope Liberius, St. Godefrey of Amiens and St. Hughes of Grenoble disobeyed Pope Pascal 11. Peace to all. My argument has been the most consistent of anyone in this discussion. Be attentive. Again, what Our Mother says here is the teaching of the Catholic Church. He told me of local corruption of the priests and said, What else could we do? I pointed out that Jesus would certainly have his way with his Church, so I did not believe a true apparition would be forced out of the Church. So, you would also accept a metaphor of a God with multiple human arms and hands like some of the Hindu gods? If I change that plan, nothing in the message needs to change, it is still applicable. Patti Maguire Armstrong is a TV talk show host ofLadies of Another Viewand an award-winning author andmagazines and newspaper journalist. While I was walking on the property not long ago I asked a priest from Nigera why so many priests from around the world are coming here. God Bless and Mary Keep in Holy Love, This kind of subtle and not-so-subtle message has been going on for decades at this place, slowly infecting the minds and hearts, the SOULS of Catholics. When a bishop does not uphold the true Faith, ac cording to Deitrich von Hildebrand, he loses his authority to represent the Church, and instead represents his own novelty. He continues to explain that those Catholic who oppose heretical bishops are the true members of the Church. Had a friend who could not have a baby. Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth (Fides et Ratio Encyclical Letter On the Relationship between Faith and Reason, Pope John Paul II, 1998). However, if seeing is believing then one needs to look inside their heart and reevaluate if they are a true Christian. From The Imitation of Christ (Book 3, Pg 160): Thanks for that Liz. Good luck with your efforts here. I will fight to the death for my true Catholic Faith. There is nothing being preached there against the Faith.. Bishops have allowed these spiritual perversions and they will answer to God for it. Joan of Arc was condemned as a heretic by Catholic bishops and burned at the stake by the Catholic bishops who hated her. It is hard for me to grasp the influence of the Ohio diocese attempt to stop pilgrims from going to Holy love, which is a Ecumenical Ministrry for all people and all nations. Sin is to use our free will to violate what God wants. bob v. So glad you turned your life around. God can use all things for good. I appreciate that, Elizabeth, and I ask God to bless you. In order to protect their souls. I showed him Thomas email and explained my use of the word condemned. The Bishop of Cleveland says otherwise by the fact of his document and he claims to have the backing of the Holy See. In all the various approved apparitions throughout the centuries, does the Blessed Mother or Jesus talk of worldly events, the economy, politicians and the U.S. economy? Do I need to tell you that? Nothing to say about all the points I made about your so-called heretical excerpts from HLM? She asks for her loyal sons and daughters to pray the Rosary so that the sufferings of those in purgatory may be mitigated and that they may speedily be brought to Heaven. When the Church wants to speak definitely, she does so. Have a nice day,Harr. It is the same, the salvation of souls, a goal that should readily be embraced by all. Instead, it is us sinners who ask her to pray for us now and at the hour of our death.. On and on. Thank you very much for your articles I found these videos of Holy Love on YouTube and several of them seem to be advertisements for the Donald Trump campaign: You had better vote for him or else God will inflict a terrible punishment on America. Protect me from any evil plan Satan may have for me today. look at luther and especially king henry and st thomas moore. Sadly, some cannot, or will not, recognize the Shepherds voice (cf John 10:14). These messages which support the two great commandments-love God above all else and love your neighbor as yourself-are given by means of private revelation to Heaven's messenger. Thanks for the suggestion. He has 5 kids who he cannot interact with unless it is about Holy Love and what he considers the Truth. To Tom D: I too went to Conyers, GA as well as Kettle River and stopped by Necadah, WI once when I noticed a large billboard advertising a Marion Shrine. Let them go! No less. I admire your fortitude! The official pronouncement we have had about HLM is a warning which under obedience we are not obligated to follow. God loves prayers and wants us to love Him back. Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). Then, when Gods authority on earth the Church speaks against the fraud, a number of otherwise good Catholics get caught in the trap. This Mission stands for the truth of the gospel message of love. As quoted in the Summa, here are some errors in thinking which underlie false obedience, that is, obedience through excess: (1) Church hierarchy is absolute. What of the many miracles and increased devotion so many experienced at the site? This can become a very large problem to some folks to visit these sites, and trust in them, and can cause them to question themselves, their faith, and their church. Im new to the conversation but Im just wondering, why would you do something your bishop (shepherd) has admonished you not to? If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. Did you see my note above on Mary Divine Mercy or MDM that some HLM devotees are now also gravitating towards. I have all the right in the world to go. Someone said that such compelling evidence of positive fruits proves this is from God. The only true division is good and evil. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. Vatican Two told us that, and the new head of the CDF has told us that failure to accept the TRUE teachings of Vatican Two is heresy. Fruits is more relative to the interior life of virtue, as St. Teresa of Avila teaches in her The Interior Castle (Sixth Mansion). You must digest them for any positive effect. IF A MYSTIC-VISIONARY IS DISOBEDIENT TO THE LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH (ie- local Bishop, but also in the case of a professed religious, this could be their abbott, mother superior, provencial etc) -IF A ALLEGED VISIONARY IS DISOBEDIENT TO THE LOCAL BISHOP, THEN YOU CAN BE SURE THAT SUCH A PERSON IS NOT AUTHENTIC. Leave it alone. And, with lies, he means to convince others and strengthen their belief in HLM. No. Find what you read and tell me, okay? Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. @LizEst:disqus, if you would like, please feel free to E-mail me privately. It is prideful to set oneself up over Church authority. they knew each other since they were 9 yrs old. Amen! and this is a later explanation for something that doesnt logically make sense to begin with. May God bless you and your family this Christmas season. Gay couples cant get married in church. Holy Love Ministries is an ecumenical lay apostolate committed to living and propagating the Holy Love, Divine Love and United Hearts messages. We can either OPEN the door (cooperate with grace) or CLOSE the door( choose to REJECT the grace flowing THROUGH Marys Heart. @3221: You poor woman or man. No, John Leary, who claims to be receiving messages from Jesus, Mary and the saints, does not have Church approval. Visions are not like sacraments, which produce their effect by their own power (that is, the power of Christ working through them) in those who do not place an obstacle. Afterwards, the house did sell. HLM is there for all those whose Faith has been thwarted, perverted and destroyed by the very poor catechesis the bishops of this country have perpetrated fore over 40 years. Bishop Lennon issued an admonishment because he could not forbid Catholics from going to HLM. People bring their holiness with them, so prayers and love of God is usually present. Remember those who walked away from Christ because He told them,; Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of God, you have no life in you. this was a hard saying for them. I sat in the private chapel on the propertywhere the eucharist was kept (totally against what the church ordered by the way). Thank you so much Kevin. This is the man whose discernment about Holy Love ministries you want me to trust? When we use are judgment, our God given intellect, to discern, and act on it, we are not being gods. It is what it is. You, 3221, say there is nothing against the Faith at HLM. Dis you read yet my comments a little bit above from this entry regarding your examples of heresy at HLM? @LizEst and Kevin: Ive been sitting back and just reading your comments and the replies of 3221. I believe there was supposed to be a lock of her hair?? The Dialogues is St. Catherine of Sienas profound spiritual work and is accepted by the Church as indeed she is a Doctor (teacher) of the Church. Its irrelevant to this topic how many bishops and priests are either outright heretics or at the very least, not being true shepherds. (Oh, and by the way, Holy Love Ministries has one of those miraculous springs. This justifies and verifies the goodness of the place in his mind. Come on folks. I figured that someone who made such a claim above (Mr/Ms 3221) would know! Yes indeed, Bob. Evidently there is fuller need to elaborate further, Kevin. The founders and visionary claim it is ecumenical and therefore does not fall under Catholic Church authority. Grace and virtue dont flow from the Blessed Virgin Mary through our own free will. One woman credited her fathers conversion from a Sunday church grumbler to attending Mass and saying the rosary daily even two years after his visit to the site. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. We become obedient to the Church and Her officials only when we become obedient to the constant teachings of the Church, as taught by the Magisterium through the ages. HLM is NOT at all in error.The mystical theology pouring out of HLM is an exquisite explanation and delineation of the deepest mystical theology of the Catholic Church. God bless youand Blessed Advent! That I do not accept your derision of HLM? If people were inspired or received what they believe to be miracles at this site, then praise be to God! Well worth the read. You said before that you were finished writing to me, but you have not been consistent with what you decided in an earlier post. There are genuine miracles from Holy Love, and Ive had very powerful miracles there, With assistance from very conservative priests AND an exorcist,, these things proved to be genuine and not diabolical. On Holy Love Ministries. Zanics decision according to the Vatican, was not definitive in any way. I think you are proving the point. Holy Love - An Ecumenical Ministry & Shrine Please read the few quotes of some recent messages from HL in my post just before Kevins recent post. I guess you have never heard of Joan of Arc, who was condemned by the Chuch authorities. Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. Every message mentiones Holy Love, Holy Love, Truth, etc., I am very cautious and disheartened. Dont let it ruin your family too. May they rest in peace. Clothe me in Your Divine Will. A sign of true love for GOD is bearing long-lasting fruits and living orthodox, obedient lives respectful to all, especially those in authority. Satans work! Using your logic St. Joan was obliged to deny her voices, just as you assume that the faithful are obliged to not visit Holy Love. I pray the Lord (and the Blessed Virgin) remove the scales from their eyes before its too late. IN TH sUMMA. Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours! How could all these good fruits not be from God? God the Father is spirit and God the Holy Spirit is spirit. Sister Adele cautioned the Bishop that he would be responsible for the souls lost due to the lack of proper religious instruction. But she obeyed the Bishops command. If we do not cooperate with Gods Will through free will choice, we sin. In other words, alleged messages are prized more highly than the truth of the Gospel, He who hears you hears Me and that it is through the Church we discern the spirits, not outside of it. Very interesting; Id like to visit it someday since its relatively close to me. Guard me against all evil. 2021 Holy Love Messages This is what HLM has to do with Medjugorie. it does not mean not heeding a warning from a bishop. Let me tell you something else, Kevin. Several members of Sweeneys small ministry became disillusioned and left.. evaluation of the messages of Maureen Sweeney Kyle of holylove.org, part 2 Bishops have upheld heresy. She replied I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, but I cannot deny my voices. Was she disobedient? You want transparency? This happens when other legitimate actions done by the alleged suppressor are brought up in a negative way (example: Bishop Lennon closing parishes). Again, Madame, an admonishment IS a warning and a warning and/or admonishment (Same thinglook it up in the dictionary) is NOT A FORMAL COMMAND OF OBEDIENCE and does NOT NEED TO BE OBEYED. 2 human hearts = 8 possible chambers. (meaning every wrong that has been done to you). False prophets are among us. I did not know rcspiritualdirection I have casorosendi.com (various languages) and primeraluz.org (Spanish only) lately many of my articles are being published in Brazil for some reason, so the Portuguese section is likely to grow a bit. Everyone must follow their conscience. Hildebrand says,If there are only a few persons who belileve the true Faith, they are the Church. (Catholic Apologetics). The overcast sky cleared just a bit as the sun showed itself through a thin film of clouds. One further question: Are you inferring that Bishop Lennon is a heretic? HLM teaches the truths of the Catholic Faith in full. All other commandments fall into the first two. Ditto to that, Harry. The implication is these bad people (whoever they may be) are attempting to suppress a message purported to be from heaven. What I discovered about the virtue of obedience from both of these eminently reliable sources surprised even me, although my instincts led me in this direction. If your answer is that that will never happen, my next question to you is, What world are you living in? With good reason the Church is very slow to condemn apparitions and their messages as She knows that She just might be condemning the work of God. @3221: Why are you changing the subject to Medjugorje? Heck, I didnt even say the rosary with all the other thousands gathered ther. Or were they frauds who gave only an outward appearance of religious devotion? Thanks. Thank you for clarifying, Kevin. And what did Padre Pio do when the Bishop ordered him to stop? We try to live holy lives and follow Gods Will. We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides. St. It attributes whole malice to persons, effectively demonizing them. and now you cannot even keep your own argument in order. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. I myself have visited a couple apparition sites that proved to be false. God chose 12 men as disciples later to become priests. All wonderful recommendations. Additionally, the bad people in the Church claim is also false, unless Sweeney-Kyle (et al) can prove that somehow the documents (and the doctrine behind them) that govern these matters were somehow written by these bad people to suppress HLM.
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