After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. hb`````pd&03EY8zT'00a@,d/Dy ) d|HXDh+3&0%18?`aeT,&1gh)smi`8pIni`!ah k\w'@w06` Y0:tcr4#0 3: endstream endobj 575 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/Index[28 494]/Length 39/Size 522/Type/XRef/W[1 1 1]>>stream They shipped them the next day and I got them three days from when I ordered them. Our History. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. I stick to the few seed companies, who I think take avoiding their seed pretty seriously. It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. You call me out? We do purchase a small number of seeds from the garden seed . And to be honest, I think above all companies, they won't be lying about this! Wouldn't it appear they are trying to have a monopoly on seeds? Oh, for the record, The New York Times, Science, Nature, and NPR are reputable sources, someone was asking what was considered a reputable source. Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. To choose to evaluate each product on a case by case basis -- If I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? I dont even have the time to read the above entire article on Monsanto, but a quick scan of the section on Controversies, shows that all over the world, people are fighting against Monsanto because of the ill effect that their association with the company has had. Since 1897, gardeners have trusted American Seed to provide the best value in the marketplace. 0000001926 00000 n The first time I let it slide because you said you hadn't time to read as much as you would like and were unsure about the accuracy of the sources. We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. I never would have guessed. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. I dont care if we lose Monsanto varieties. (all are Big ag GMO producers). So, because of all these conversational choices youve made, from my end, it feels more like a monologue instead of a conversation. Initially, I did not respond to this because although you framed it in an appeal to dire consequences, you carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact-checking to others. :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." Ferry-Morse Basil Sweet Italian Herb Plant Seeds (1 Pack) - Seed Gardening, Full Sun. And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. Not a good fit. Im not an expert on Monsanto. I will not martyr my favorite varieties as you might. And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? Monsanto isn't the only company that makes GMO cropswhy does everyne get worked up over Monsanto, and no one talks about Syngenta? I have answered your post this time by copying the body of it and putting yours in italics in its entirety so I would not miss anyting and responded to each and every point. California now has the same disease. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. [1] Jiffy has moved production outside of Canada with over 70 people working at their location in Brandon. Can't beat that. If they include links to the proof, then I'll believe it. Disclaimer: I worked for a seed company that was being purchased by Monsanto, in a GMO-free operation. You suggest GMO Crops show promisehow about a track record of crop failures and disasters? 0000518594 00000 n The observation that you think I was referring to you or labeling you, is incorrect, and I would counter that you clearly are labeling yourself. African Daisy Mixed Colors Flower Seeds (Seed Packet) .22-Gram. Two people posted about two seed companies on the list. Disneyland Park is a registered trademark of The Walt Disney Company. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. Find My Store. And here is where I corrected what you said the first time. Instead of discussing, either GMO seeds, or Monsanto, or other corporations that are producing GMO seeds, or the availability of non GMO seeds and how to preserve that, youve turned the discussion into an analysis of words and meanings of words, and what I meant when I said what and in what ways my end of the conversation fits in with your ideas of debate theories and techniques. All rights reserved. Thanks for the rest of the links. That is hurtful to all. It is way too long, and was built upon a post that is riddled with misinformation, so it requires far more fact checking then I have time for right now. Ferry-Morse. Molanic, I just finished reading that article in Mother Earth News. . I'm happy with the companies I am doing business with. You repeat your reasons for participating in the conversation like a campaign slogan but in the face of the way you participate, it rings a little hollow to me. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. 202 S Washington St, Norton, MA 02766 Green Garden Products does not imply any affiliation with or endorsement from The Walt Disney Company. I did not misquote you. Jiffy Seed Starting. If you are attempting to correct something that you believe is misleading about someone's post, than do so. I would wonder that they were going to tamper with them. 0000020576 00000 n If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. I have to stop here, I havent even been able to read the comments made after Pupillas. I think you should support seed companies that you can trust, that are working hard to keep seeds GMO free in the future and who work with people they can trust. Over the years, the stocking evolved into high-tech netting that provides roots with the optimum amount of air and water. 0000011681 00000 n We got to this point, because you think you make understandable comments but they are not as understandable as you think they are. Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. This is no different from what was done in the name of religious fervor in the middle ages. Hollyhock Summer Carnival Mixed Colors Seed. Being undecided means I have issues with both sides. You seem to feel that what you have to say is much more important than anything I have to say. 0000005445 00000 n Hopefully if it is explained well enough others might get a better understanding of the issue. And I'm not sure about Ecowatch, but supposedly that is a reliable website with news about the environment. I have already answered this at least twice. Since their main activity and goals are to create GMO seed and not to produce conventionally hybridized seed, then it is not unreasonable to consider that they have plans to use the seeds of those companies to genetically modify them. Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. The movie "Bitter Seed" is simply a movie. You've made broad, generalizations about the people on both sides of this controversy as if you are not part of either side. If I were trying to vote with my dollars, I would direct my attention to commercial products such as Roundup and Miracle Gro, or more directly, the Zima grape tomatoes in the supermarket (link), a Monsanto conventional product not available to home gardeners. I hope to be able to continue having options to grow all conventionally bred varieties, including Better Boy tomatoes, therefore I will have no part of any boycott of wholesome, certifiably organic vegetable varieties smearing them so that they eventually might become discontinued and lost forever to those of us who like to grow them. I dont find this constructive at all, so Im sorry but Im going to end here. This put it in a whole new positive light on the subject. 0000536287 00000 n We all want this, right? The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. If home gardening seed is a small portion of the seed they sell, then targeting commercial seed sales seems to be the way to go. Monsanto and the other companies you mention, are basically in the biotech field. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. You still dont know that they wont at some future time. No company sells GMO seeds to home gardeners. I used to read it a lot when they first became a magazine. It's a conspiracy theory website and anyone can post articles there. No you dont see Monsanto rescuing us but yet, you are hoping that the GMO potential solution will. With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. It's a coop. I was already questioning whether the list would be credible or not. While most companies have a life span of 50-60 years, the average age of our brands is 122 years! So hopefully the home garden varieties can hang on until they find a nicer home. But, I think I've spent enough time responding to this thread. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. D.M. Once that I buy only conventionally bred seeds, and prefer only conventionally bred vegetables and fruits and GMOs concern me but this is a case by case problem. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. Anyone have any information about that? We have them. It does not refer to anything specific and is just disrespectful. Instead of simply looking for companies that are owned by Monsanto to avoid, I can also direct my attention to these small, regional, seed breeders who are producing quality seed that is suited to my garden. Ferry-Morse. Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. I am comfortable with my reply, and understand where you are coming from. Web-equivalent of footnotes. Compare $ 1 98. Negative: On Jun 26, 2014, . If you want to avoid using GMO seeds, here is a list of seed companies owned by Monsanto. Im worried about foods produced with GMO seeds that are not digestible and create immune reactions, and plants that do not feed insects and birds and animals. [12], In 2012, Seed Holdings acquired Ferry-Morse from Jiffy. Huh? If you want to avoid the improved non-GMO varieties, just buy vintage varieties. When the purchase was finalized, I was out on my rear without a job, so if anyone has reason to be unhappy with them for political reasons, that's me! And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? Ferry Morse is not owned by Monsanto. 2. Also, this isn't meant as an attack on anyone here or their opinions. Very early in this thread, that problem was addressed and resolved. But it was encouraging to read about "small-scale breeders who are developing and stewarding regionally suited crop varieties, nurtured in part by the Organic Seed Alliance. Native Seeds/S.E.A.R.C.H. If you call and ask, I can imagine you could get the run around. I think they would like to have nothing but GMO seeds available to buy to everyone, including home gardeners. The Seed Savers Exchange (SSE) is a non-profit organization working to save heirloom garden seeds from extinction. This is so sad. There is nothing wrong with my logic. ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? Second, you dont have any way of knowing, why Monsanto is buying up so many seed companies. I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. The same as I do about Monsanto. My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. You think that you have answered it, but to me that was not an answer. FWIW, and a big LOL to that, in the spirit of completeness, Monsanto is one of them. And what is going to happen to the seed they are selling? Ed and I briefly went back and forth about the original article and I made a simple comment that I was always glad when GMO was brought to the attention of the public for the benefit of those who are unaware of it, which I've already apologized for not making clear enough. It is your right to have that belief, whether religiously-based, socially-based, scientifically-based, statistically-based, etc. It even shows up innocently on GW here, except misquoting the quarter of a million figure total as a quarter of a million people per year :-( You are not pleased with me for "picking apart", even though you request fact checking on your link. If GMOs concern you, then what are your concerns? Please research the 250,000 suicides issue you referenced in the earlier post. I do not conform to a world of "believers" and "infidels" used by both sides which are quick to exclude any middle ground. What we . I personally have no opinion about Monsanto, except to roll my eyes when people scream about how they are going to control the food supply and kill us all. They covered the seed company acquisitions briefly and had a graphic with the citation leading back to this person's research. As a Floridian, I am concerned that conventional breeding of oranges will not save the Florida orange industry from Citrus Greening disease in time (or at all) and "a day without Florida orange juice for me is like a day without sunshine".
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